GM Decisions

[Rogean]

Lets get one thing straight folks. We don't answer to you.

There has been a lot of petitions lately, a lot of posts on the forums, with everyone trying to critique GM Decisions. The developers of this project put way too much time into this for us to be put on the spotlight every single time we make a decision, ESPECIALLY when you ASSUME you know all the facts. 90% of the time, you don't. Situations are handled between the staff and the players directly involved. Any dialog between a GM and a player can be considered a private matter, and will not be open to public debate. Players will divulge their interactions with GM's as they see fit, maybe giving all details and maybe not disclosing all of it, and quite possible they themselves aren't aware of every point of consideration in a staff decision.

I'm getting quite tired of everything being questioned, everyone assuming they are experts in every decision being made. Its getting old quite fast. We make decisions based on our best judgements, often discussing large impacting decisions with several staff members first. You are welcome to report anything you may believe to be unjustified use of GM privileges to the petition forum or Nilbog and myself, but this would only be in situations where you believe a GM did not act as they are instructed so, and an investigation may occur, but do not think that this suddenly privies you to all information associated with any decision. I realize that the environment for our community is a little more open than such organizations as SOE Itself, with more direct involvement in the community by the developers, but there are certain ways things need to be handled, and they wont always be agreed on by everyone, but thats how it is in any scenario. Many of us, including myself, do not play on the server. That means we spend all of our time working to better the server, and handling the issues that arise. We make decisions based on our best judgement, with no favoritism for any play character connections, so you will have to trust in our opinions for the health of the server.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled, un GM-related, flaming and asshatery.

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[Tristin]

You may now return to your regularly scheduled, un GM-related, flaming and asshatery.

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WELL! YOU HEARD THE MAN!

[Abacab]

I know all da factz I haz engineering degree from Devry

[L2Phantom]

I think people are just concerned for the future of the server with these sort of 'small decisions' laying a huge foundation for other decisions in the future.

People care about this server, and I think that's why they are acting how they are. They don't want it to turn into a steaming pile of EQLive.

Regardless, please keep up the great work, I'm really impressed how active and involved all of you are with the community.

[Brad_mo123]

This is what I think of the cause of this whole situation was.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/300/baby_crying_closeup.jpg

[Pheer]

Rogean why the "fuck you" attitude when someone brings up an issue on the forums, but if trans presses their "/petition THIS IS UNFAIR" hotkey you guys all come running and hold their hands?

Seriously, I know youre trying to keep the peace and all but youre letting that desire to control the situation cause you to make some weird calls and get involved in situations where there is really no debate, except where transcendence is creating it.

By caving to their complaining you set a precedence and now they arent even trying anymore, they just show up in a zone after us and then petition you and sit on their asses waiting to see what handout they can get.

[Zithax]

get mad son

[Goobles]

Delete the posts, lock the thread. I think the point of this thread is that GM word is NOT open to discussion. STOP EXACERBATING!

[Hasbinbad]

Delete the posts, lock the thread. I think the point of this thread is that GM word is NOT open to discussion. STOP EXACERBATING!
Goobles does it relieve the water pressure in your skull when you do stupid things like try to make yourself feel important by ordering people about (as if you had some sort of authority), or is there some other reason you continue to make yourself look completely idiotic on these forums daily?

[Salty]

Rogean, the problem is that we have no idea what the rules are for high end raiding on this server because of inconsistent GM intervention.

The rules state 15+ people at a target, it's theirs.

This is not what happened last night, therefore the rules are not correct. This is why you got petitions and forum posts.

We love the server, we love the staff, the mechanics are pretty damn solid compared to any other emu server, but if something silly is going on people are going to discuss it. There wouldn't even be GM related discussions if there was consistency in these GM related rulings regarding raid targets.

I hope you can at least understand where the community is coming from. I mean hell, if the rules are changed in-game it should be updated on the forums too~

[Jete]

I don't usually post on topics like this, but Salty ( even though he is mostly a troll ) kinda hit this topic on the head. I agree entirely.

[Salty]

Salty ( even though he is mostly a troll )

Sometimes, I'll get so into it that I troll myself.

But in all seriousness, I hope this was just a fluke mishap and it will go back to what the rules state on the forums for future encounters. I want to look forward to who slays the next dragon, not which GM we get to rail on that week.

[anthony210]

Yep I agree. As I posted in the other thread. We understand you guys are working hard but if you want to make less work for yourselves stop getting involved all together unless an actual rule is broken.

If a guild is there with 15+ people they get the target. Period! I dont understand how a guild can zone into fear after another guild has been there clearing and claim they own CT. Makes no sense, and furthermore the decision to give trans free loot makes no sense.

Nilbog asked in the other thread before it was closed for evidense of a GM creating loot. Well the GM created loot for Trans in fear that day even though they did nothing to earn it. How can you say with a straight face that this makes sense?

[Pheer]

^Im more surprised that nilbog wasnt aware of it than that it actually happened to be honest

[karsten]

i don't generally get my panties especially worked up on this sorta thing -- the gms DO act with impunity and I'm generally ok with it for the same reasons rogean mentioned in the op.

That said, I worked in good faith with the leadership of transcendence during the ct raid, came up with a solid working plan for future fear encounters that won't require gm-intervention, and also brainstormed with their leadership, again in good faith, about a solution to the current raid that didn't involve "rolling" on ct.

If i were to have turned around to my guild and said "we're rolling on ct" or "we're splitting loot on ct" after we A: got there first (by almost an hour), B: did the break in, C: killed all the golems, and D: cleared approx. 80% of the zone, they would have rightfully called me a gigantic vagina.

I was 100% stonewalled by the leadership of transcendence, and they spent their time in fear whining to me and to GMs instead of clearing mobs, setting up a ct kill spot, and competing for the mob. The answer was always "no, we want to roll and since you don't, we're calling in a GM." I was accused of "backdooring" Transcendence on CT because we killed him during the time they were still trying to talk to me about a possible claim on the mob. Should I make 25 ish people thumb-ass themselves because Transcendence wants loot?

Anyways, given the above ABCD points, I'm happy to continue to talk about what ought to be fair in this case, but I defy anyone to come up with a solid argument as to why popping an extra ct for transcendence to kill after we left the zone is the solution.

Also, if I were aeolwind i'd also see this whole thing as a gigantic pain in the ass that ought not to have required my intervention. And yeah, i'd also be tempted to throw transcendence a bone to shut up their whining to me about this. But just popping another ct for them as a reward for whining? that's a silly precedence to be setting as a reward for bad behavior.

[Aaron]

As a non-raiding bystander, but frequenter of threads like these, it seems like Trans is a bunch of cheating crybabies who shouldn't even be taken seriously by anyone on the server. They look like dicks in every situation.

[Rogean]

See? This is exactly what I'm talking about. You are all making these posts saying we should never have been called in to fear last night, but guess what? We were involved even before the situation happened. I don't need to explain any more than this, so once again I can't stress enough:

Despite your belief you do not know all the facts. STOP Making judgement calls on half-assed information.