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Knuckle

08-24-2011, 01:11 PM

This deserves its own thread, if I'm being trolled, fuck you.

There is absolutely *NO* reason to not code in the yellow text broadcast when a player is killed. Why on earth would you exclude this, possibly the best thing ever coded for everquest pvp on emu. It does several things:

1.) Gives the server a feeling of aliveness.
2.) Shows where some PVP action is taking place.
3.) Allows a pvper to build up a reputation across the server.
4.) Can show a player being griefed if there are bindcamping/corpse camping rules.

Kope

08-24-2011, 01:12 PM

Have you read the posts knuckle? You need to read the entire thread if you're posting this here. This has been discussed to 10+ pages.

Humerox

08-24-2011, 01:17 PM

Kope

08-24-2011, 01:17 PM

1.) Gives the server a feeling of aliveness.
2.) Shows where some PVP action is taking place.
3.) Allows a pvper to build up a reputation across the server.
4.) Can show a player being griefed if there are bindcamping/corpse camping rules.

1) The server feels alive when people are playing and killing eachother, YT doesn't increase this

2) PvP usually takes place in the same 4-5 zones, cruise those zones and you'll always find PvP

3) You can build a rep (real rep) without the use of YT. On live everyone knew who the good pvpers were.

4) So can a quick /tell or /gu being BCd.

pojab

08-24-2011, 01:23 PM

you are all missing the point. YT is fucking hilarious. also i want you all to know when hpt gets a penta kill.

Lazortag

08-24-2011, 01:29 PM

Because a lot of people could care care less about YT and leaderboards?

All it does is promote global OOC BS and the usual whiny-a## "I was afk/OOM/wtfever" BS excuse.

E-Peen is all YT and leaderboard promotes, and 99% of that isn't warranted. If I whipped someone's a@@ or they whipped mine...they know it, I know it, and that's all that matters.

Klaatu said it better than I ever could. You shouldn't need yellow text to affirm how much of a badass you are. Anyone who wants yellow text is probably compensating for something.

Doors

08-24-2011, 01:32 PM

Hey guys, lets make a pvp server with zero competitive features and no YT. Sounds like fun. Hey while we're at it, someone design an FPS that doesn't track your stats either.

Kope

08-24-2011, 01:34 PM

someone design an FPS that doesn't track your stats either.

Original CS? Most profitable FPS ever?

Doors

08-24-2011, 01:34 PM

Shut up giegue the only people advocating for removal of YT are the ones who are most concerned about their fucking epeens. They're mostly terrified of being on the wrong side of YT. Also the only valid argument they can even come up with is that YT promotes dickheaded behavior.

Newsflash its the internet. This is red99. The playerbase will be 90% vztz. Not having YT isn't going to change anything.

Gold

08-24-2011, 01:35 PM

Seeing penta kills is cool. But YT is the red equivalent of gear announcements on a blue server. Who cares if Soandso loots a FBSS...

Anyone propose this yet? YT could be optional. Anyone who '/YT on's will see the kill announcements for other people who '/YT on'. Those who don't won't see it and won't have their kills seen by others.

Doors

08-24-2011, 01:35 PM

Original CS? Most profitable FPS ever?

/statsme. You sure you played 1.5 bro?

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 01:35 PM

Onry

08-24-2011, 01:36 PM

you are all missing the point. YT is fucking hilarious. also i want you all to know when hpt gets a penta kill.

I have to agree. YT is something I've missed in every other MMO pvp experience because it makes the server feel alive with activity. The only people I can imagine being AGAINST YT are people who suck at pvp and don't want everyone to know it.

Me, I suck and I don't care if people know it.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 01:37 PM

Anyone who wants yellow text is probably compensating for something.

/thread

hagard

08-24-2011, 01:38 PM

got to have the YT, should be able to disable it like ooc so the ones who dont want to see it dont have to

Doors

08-24-2011, 01:38 PM

Hi I'm Bardalicious, ignore my opinions because realistically I'll be banned within two weeks for hacking anyway. Does anyone else remember when Secrets caught me trying to buy EQ hacks?

Nirgon

08-24-2011, 01:39 PM

Its stupid and promotes ooc bullshit.

Also: not classic.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 01:40 PM

Fake quotes? SICK BURN BRO.

Again, confronted with logical arguments, you faggot eqemu pvp-tards resort to flaming.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 01:41 PM

This doesn't even need to be argued, because Rogean p. much stated it wasn't going to be put in. "I can't take something out that hasn't been put in" or something along those lines.

hagard

08-24-2011, 01:41 PM

Its stupid and promotes ooc bullshit.

Also: not classic.

/ignore always works

AffEcT

08-24-2011, 01:41 PM

No Yes No Yes FUck YOu YES! AHH NOO!!!
Compromise?

How about zone wide YT?

Doors

08-24-2011, 01:42 PM

Ennoia

08-24-2011, 01:43 PM

Newsflash its the internet. This is red99. The playerbase will be 90% vztz..

Reason #1 why not to even fucking bother making a PvP server.

Knuckle

08-24-2011, 01:43 PM

Because people like "Big Knuckle" sit at freeport zone lines as a SK and try to gank people zoning in with harm touch. Then people like "Big Knuckle" immediately talk shit in global OOC despite failing said gank.

Then "Big Knuckle" zone plugs 30 seconds later when the person he failed to gank with HT on zone-in comes back and bitch slaps him in PVP legit.

ALL IN THE NAME OF YELLOW TEXT.

Keep arguing that yellow text does nothing detrimental to PVP pal. Grow a fucking pair and stop being afraid that you might actually have to go out and PVP legit to earn a reputation.

P.S. this was a true story and big Taint aka Bardalicious on VZTZ L&L was the one to make little Knuckle zone plug to guard his yellow text after wasting his time specifically camping zone lines to try to get it.

This is incredibly illogical, and you are basing the fact that I saw you coming to freeport where I was leveling on my 41 SK to gank me on a 50 shaman as some sort of comparison to yellow text is laughable. it's also laughable to call secrets box 'vztz'. Pretty sure my monk, rogue, and warrior on the real VZTZ 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 speak for themselves.

hagard

08-24-2011, 01:43 PM

Reason #1 why not to even fucking bother making a PvP server.

lol vztzers are the reason i play here!

Knuckle

08-24-2011, 01:44 PM

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 01:44 PM

Flame what? I can't believe this is even something we're arguing about. YT makes the server better period. The only people who have ego issues are the ones scared about being on the wrong side of YT. Nobody else even gives a shit.

You make me laugh. No, really. The only argument for yellow text is because the people that don't want it "are scared of PVP".

Come at me bro.

If you want to play on another steaming pile of shit server, I'll send you the VZTZ code base and you can put it back up and implement all the yellow text you want. Then you, Macken, and every other faggot can go sword fight with your teeny e-peens over who ganks and plugs the hardest.

Get mad son, 'cuz it was already stated it's not being put in.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 01:46 PM

This truly saddens me that anyone believes yellow text will effect the behavior of players at all. If you think 'yellow text' means a player will min max and fight to win, you are sorely mistaken and you will continue to dirtnap without yellow text. Why ruin an entertaining feature that makes a server better?

If yellow text is the only incentive for you to play EQ and PVP, you are far more hopeless than I had originally thought. Despite you having a kick ass taste for music you have no other redeeming qualities that I can see pal :(

So much for us jamming to NIN and owning PVP together.

Kope

08-24-2011, 01:46 PM

This truly saddens me that anyone believes yellow text will effect the behavior of players at all. If you think 'yellow text' means a player will min max and fight to win, you are sorely mistaken and you will continue to dirtnap without yellow text. Why ruin an entertaining feature that makes a server better?

Knuckle your points in this post counter eachother.

1) saddens me that anyone believes yellow text will effect the behavior of players at all

2)Why ruin an entertaining feature that makes a server better?

If it makes it better it's an incentive and will effect behavior.

Doors

08-24-2011, 01:48 PM

If you want to play on another steaming pile of shit server

Yeah good logic, vztz was a steaming pile of shit because of yellow text. Thats it. Had nothing to do with boxing, resist systems, or hacking. It was all the yellow texts fault!

I just pray these devs don't listen to a word you spew out on here concerning suggestions.

Lazortag

08-24-2011, 01:48 PM

Because people like "Big Knuckle" sit at freeport zone lines as a SK and try to gank people zoning in with harm touch. Then people like "Big Knuckle" immediately talk shit in global OOC despite failing said gank.

Then "Big Knuckle" zone plugs 30 seconds later when the person he failed to gank with HT on zone-in comes back and bitch slaps him in PVP legit.

ALL IN THE NAME OF YELLOW TEXT.

Keep arguing that yellow text does nothing detrimental to PVP pal. Grow a fucking pair and stop being afraid that you might actually have to go out and PVP legit to earn a reputation.

P.S. this was a true story and big Taint aka Bardalicious on VZTZ L&L was the one to make little Knuckle zone plug to guard his yellow text after wasting his time specifically camping zone lines to try to get it.

Bardalicious is right (for once). You can't just turn YT off for some players because that's missing the point - having YT on for anyone changes people's behaviour and their choice of whether or not to gank/grief people who don't deserve it. You know that killing whoever's in the same zone as you isn't always the appropriate thing to do, right?

Suggesting that people who are against YT are just afraid of being on the receiving end of it is laughable. I'm against YT and I was undefeated/top of the leaderboards on red69 for the whole first week, and am probably still in the top 10. I'm awesome. I just think YT is stupid and promotes an unhealthy server.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 01:49 PM

Reason #1 why not to even fucking bother making a PvP server.

True story :(

I hope freaky's vanilla server pans out to give us something to do if the VZTZ crowd inevitably shits up Red99.

Doors

08-24-2011, 01:51 PM

I'm against YT and I was undefeated/top of the leaderboards on red69 for the whole first week, and am probably still in the top 10.

Bro did you top the leaderboards of a server with 15 people playing on it? Nice. I had a pissing contest earlier today. I was the only person in that contest. I came in first place.

Pudge

08-24-2011, 01:51 PM

juicedsixfo

08-24-2011, 01:52 PM

ALL IN THE NAME OF YELLOW TEXT.

Yep. Nailed it.

It's completely arbitrary and it's implementation only produced massive unwanted side effects. I hope the red99 devs aren't even considering it.

Kope

08-24-2011, 01:53 PM

yes. if ppl are afraid of YT, make it optional that sounds good.

turn in a book, turn on YT.

if one of the players hasen't turned it in, then no YT. but if both of you aren't pussies, then the YT will show and fun will be had by all.

making it a quest (even a reversable quest, where you ask the priest for a book and then hand it back in..) seems better than "/YT on", because then when you're about to lose a fight you can't "/YT off" real quick.

Optional YT-

If you turn in you book, people get YT when they kill you.

That's the only rule. I E if you don't turn in your book but the other person does you can get YT on them but they can't get YT on you. Problem sloved, you guys get you YT and the incentive for ganking people is neglected.

Pudge

08-24-2011, 01:54 PM

OR the ZONE-WIDE YT sounds so much better than no YT to me. just to let ppl in zone know what's going on, and also when you're in guild v guild battle in a zone, knowing who's been killed is important, it lets you keep tabs on the fight

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 01:58 PM

Yeah good logic, vztz was a steaming pile of shit because of yellow text. Thats it. Had nothing to do with boxing, resist systems, or hacking. It was all the yellow texts fault!

I just pray these devs don't listen to a word you spew out on here concerning suggestions.

Was yellow text the sole reason VZTZ was a steaming pile of shit? No. Did I make that claim? No. Did it contribute to VZTZ being a steaming pile of shit though? Yes, in fact it did. It did because it breeds a style of play that is counter-productive to a healthy population. Counter-productive to legitimate, entertaining PVP battles.

You are trying to discredit legitimate arguments after blatantly resorting to flaming when you could not make valid counter-points, then state such fallacies as "ur just afraid of pvp lolololo", and yet we're the ones that the devs should not be listening to?

Time to come to terms with the fact that there will be no LB or YT. You better start mentally preparing yourself for it.. I'd hate for you to rage quit over the fact and deprive me of running in to you on the server.

Xantille

08-24-2011, 02:01 PM

Anyone who thinks removing YT is going to vastly decrease plugging is naive as fuck.

Pudge

08-24-2011, 02:01 PM

Optional YT-

If you turn in you book, people get YT when they kill you.

That's the only rule. I E if you don't turn in your book but the other person does you can get YT on them but they can't get YT on you. Problem sloved, you guys get you YT and the incentive for ganking people is neglected.

hrm.. i understand the idea, but i would be making myself YT-able to ppl who aren't YT-able themselves.. who never handed in the book. Doesn't seem fair to me. All I'd be doing is then "whoever kills me (either YT enabled or not), my death is broadcasted server-wide" -- thus, there is no incentive to turn in your own book. it would just make ppl wish everyone else turned in THEIR books

Doors

08-24-2011, 02:02 PM

It doesn't really matter dude. You're similar to Harrison, when you die you'll be crying up a storm YT or not. I could care less. It has its uses other than gloating. Lets you see what targets have died in massive team fights, lets the server know where people are fighting, promotes more ganking. You're argument is that YT promotes egotistical douchebags like red99 isn't going to be packed with them already.

You're argument sucks. At least theres some strategic value in keeping YT. Removing it because you're afraid people are going to make fun of you when you die is not a valid argument, sorry.

Salty

08-24-2011, 02:03 PM

All it does is promote global OOC BS and the usual whiny-a## "I was afk/OOM/wtfever" BS excuse.

What the fuck are you morons talking about.

Stop posting, OOC BS is where the lulz are.

lethdar

08-24-2011, 02:04 PM

I always get a chuckle seeing bard talk about what is or isn't good for a server after secrets owned him for hacking on various other boxes.

Doors

08-24-2011, 02:04 PM

I always get a chuckle seeing bard talk about what is or isn't good for a server after secrets owned him for hacking on various other boxes.

xshayla701

08-24-2011, 02:05 PM

Despite you having a kick ass taste for music

LOL

Barkingturtle

08-24-2011, 02:05 PM

This thread exemplifies why Red99 is just a bad idea; PvP and autism don't mix bros.

Scribbles

08-24-2011, 02:06 PM

Anyone who thinks removing YT is going to vastly decrease plugging is naive as fuck.

Scribbles

08-24-2011, 02:06 PM

im here 2 help

juicedsixfo

08-24-2011, 02:07 PM

It may not vastly decrease plugging but it will vastly decrease all of the e-peen faggotry

Salty

08-24-2011, 02:08 PM

This thread exemplifies why Red99 is just a bad idea; PvP and autism don't mix bros.

and you like men

Scribbles

08-24-2011, 02:08 PM

It may not vastly decrease plugging but it will vastly decrease all of the e-peen faggotry

no, it wont

juicedsixfo

08-24-2011, 02:09 PM

okay you're right

Scribbles

08-24-2011, 02:09 PM

thx

Arillious

08-24-2011, 02:11 PM

I could give a fuck less either way.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 02:12 PM

I always get a chuckle seeing bard talk about what is or isn't good for a server after secrets owned him for hacking on various other boxes.

Personally, I always get a chuckle when you tools get butthurt over getting owned in an argument and have to resort to flaming.

Like I said, keep crying. LB and YT isn't happening.

Scribbles

08-24-2011, 02:14 PM

giggling about how confirmed hacker is trying to say whats good & bad for server = flaming

???????????????????????

Smedy

08-24-2011, 02:14 PM

I don't think a world wide message is necessary but a zone wide clearly is.

Pudge

08-24-2011, 02:14 PM

wtf is LB ??

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 02:15 PM

confirmed hacker

???????????????????????????????????????????

Kope

08-24-2011, 02:15 PM

giggling about how confirmed hacker is trying to say whats good & bad for server = flaming

???????????????????????

No, our side giving rational reasons and explinations of why YT and LB shouldn't go in then your side coming back with "You just suck!"

Not a very compelling argument imo :P

Pudge

08-24-2011, 02:15 PM

I don't think a world wide message is necessary but a zone wide clearly is.

yes.

Xantille

08-24-2011, 02:16 PM

wtf is LB ??

leaderboard bro COME ON

which is something i don't think anyone other than macken seems to give a shit about.

Pudge

08-24-2011, 02:16 PM

ahh sorry for being n3wb.

Scribbles

08-24-2011, 02:18 PM

my argument confirmed more compelling than ur argument t b h

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 02:22 PM

leaderboard bro COME ON

which is something i don't think anyone other than macken seems to give a shit about.

But how else will Macken "win" red 99 without a leaderboard????!!1 :(

Scribbles

08-24-2011, 02:23 PM

God-King Abacab

08-24-2011, 02:38 PM

But how else will Macken "win" red 99 without a leaderboard????!!1 :(

Macken has never seen Plane of Fear, at least not without his 2.0 and 1,500 AA's... Can't get CT if you're too busy rain-lining solb bro.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 02:44 PM

Macken has never seen Plane of Fear, at least not without his 2.0 and 1,500 AA's... Can't get CT if you're too busy rain-lining solb bro.

Hahaha.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 02:49 PM

I always get a chuckle seeing bard talk about what is or isn't good for a server after secrets owned him for hacking on various other boxes.

And lets review Lethdar's VZ/TZ track record.

Got name being part of a mage gank squad that used MQ
Rode zerg guild coat tails for gear
Was part of Wipe Committee, helped kill server
Caught a ban for stealing shit off someone else's char

What am I missing?

Wat? U mad r smthin bro?

Scribbles

08-24-2011, 02:59 PM

solid banned for killing too many ppl aka LETHDAR MUST HACK

Aenor

08-24-2011, 03:06 PM

This isn't a tiny little vztz box where the entire population couldn't top East Commons on P99. Live didn't need yellow text, Red99 doesn't either. Earn your rep the old fashioned way, one kill at a time. Don't need a leaderboard to show how many afk kills you racked up.

Danien

08-24-2011, 03:41 PM

JayDee

08-24-2011, 03:47 PM

I con indifferent to YT but leaderboards is a definite NO.

It promotes griefing, alt farming, and all around dirty play.

Rushmore

08-24-2011, 03:47 PM

I think it's much more important not to have any kind of leaderboards then to turn off YT. If anything live/previous boxes have taught us it's that it does not take a whole lot of people who play any given day at any hour to ruin regular peoples experience. And while the vast majority of players may not give a shit about the leaderboard, I suspect at least a handful of überactive people will.

Also to you people arguing that YT is fun, because it promotes shittalk and what not; Not everyone are interested in becoming the target of ridicule etc, and while people who played on previous incarnations of PvP-servers may love it I think we need to try to lure in a different targetgroup for this one to truly succeed. Let people build up their reputation the old fashioned way.

Where the fuck has this guy been. That's how you debate sir!

I vote for YT because it's always hilarious when it isn't you. And when I've been camping some item for 4 hours already I need a good YT or /ooc. And in massive pvp fights its always fun to see who is doing work.

I think its a nice entertaining feature to a game that is 12 years old.

Rushmore

08-24-2011, 03:48 PM

I con indifferent to YT but leaderboards is a definite NO.

It promotes griefing, alt farming, and all around dirty play.

Leaderboard is sorta gay when nothing but mages will be at the top anyways.

Knuckle

08-24-2011, 04:45 PM

Yellow text never affected my style of play, if I'm going to kill a player, ima motherfucking kill a player. Even when item loot was in I gave kimmie her black chitin leggings back on 1.0 and I didn't even know her yet. Point is, grievers are going to grief regardless of what system is in place, why the fuck cant you fucktards understand that?

Vile

08-24-2011, 04:50 PM

-less will plug with no YT
-less people will kill nakeds just for YT
-if you want to boast your leet skills fraps it or take a SS and bring it to the boards

Vile

08-24-2011, 04:52 PM

georgie

08-24-2011, 04:52 PM

Cwall

08-24-2011, 05:27 PM

>not wanting yellow text on a pvp box
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 05:30 PM

no really though not having yellow text is a dumb fucking idea

the only arguments you guys have are "hurr epeen"(you're obviously concerned about yours being besmirched) and "it shouldn't and doesn't affect gameplay"(so don't fucking pay attention to it then and leave it as an easy to implement feature that keeps the community together and at the same time even more competitive) and "its not classic"(neither is a lot of the shit that goes on in these emulated servers)

you guys are clearly afraid of big things being done

Kope

08-24-2011, 05:32 PM

Cwall you're bashing "the people" of the other side but not making ANY arguments for it except "hurr i r kewl and u suk".

Make valid logical arguments or gtfo.

Salty

08-24-2011, 05:33 PM

the entire population couldn't top East Commons on P99.

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Salty

08-24-2011, 05:34 PM

Cwall you're bashing "the people" of the other side but not making ANY arguments for it except "hurr i r kewl and u suk".

Make valid logical arguments or gtfo.

Not having yellow text, and arguing for no yellow text just shows you are a gigantic pussy.

Yellow text will be in regardless of your opinion.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 05:34 PM

they've already been stated in this thread and i 100% agree with the points made in the original post:

1.) Gives the server a feeling of aliveness.
2.) Shows where some PVP action is taking place.
3.) Allows a pvper to build up a reputation across the server.
4.) Can show a player being griefed if there are bindcamping/corpse camping rules.

fiegi

08-24-2011, 05:34 PM

Chuck demands YT

Kope

08-24-2011, 05:35 PM

they've already been stated in this thread and i 100% agree with the points made in the original post:

"If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton, Jr.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 05:37 PM

"If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton, Jr.

yes, just because i take one side on a two sided argument i'm not actually using my brain

also i took a side, agreed with their points, and refuted some of the main points of the opposing side

Lazortag

08-24-2011, 05:54 PM

Notice how all the people who are pro-yellow text are illiterate and can't string together a coherent sentence?

Salty

08-24-2011, 05:54 PM

Notice how all the people who are pro-yellow text are illiterate and can't string together a coherent sentence?

you skurd

Marglar

08-24-2011, 05:57 PM

I am surprised you give a fuck about yellow text big Knuck. most pvp reputation is earned through actual fights as opposed to some stupid server wide message letting people know someone got the killing shot on someone else. I surely didn't think you were a good pvper because I saw your yellow text spam, I thought you were a good pvper because I've fought you several times and you're one of the few who understand jousting and psyching people out, and have the ability to do frontal backstabs and spin backstabs etc, not many can do it right.

if anything, imo, yellow text makes people afraid to fail because they don't want to deal with the server seeing their death, and it discourages the more casual fun pvp that I loved on live.

it goes both ways, there are plenty of pros and plenty of cons. I prefer without it.

*edit* while I'm at it, leaderboards are equally stupid. if I want to jerk off to how amazing my stats look on a leaderboard I'll play an FPS. I don't need it in my mmo's.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 05:58 PM

Notice how all the people who are pro-yellow text are illiterate and can't string together a coherent sentence?

no because you just made that up

horrible attempt at ad hominem bro

Salty

08-24-2011, 06:00 PM

pvp reputation is earned through actual fights as opposed to some stupid server wide message

Nice logic bro.

Bluebie faggots talk shit about red99 and then want to have input on it.

#retards

Marglar

08-24-2011, 06:09 PM

I played pvp on live and I've probably played on more emu pvp boxes than you have. eat a box of dicks, faggot.

where did I talk shit about red99?

JayDee

08-24-2011, 06:29 PM

The more I think about it, the more essential I think YT is. Especially if we don't have server wide ooc like vztz. Need to feel connected to my bros.

How is the /anon feature gonna work btw

Marglar

08-24-2011, 06:30 PM

Notice how all the people who are pro-yellow text are illiterate and can't string together a coherent sentence?

seems like some of the sz mouthbreathers think the louder they are the more valid their input is. that and they have nothing better to do short of trollin forums.

Kope

08-24-2011, 06:32 PM

The more I think about it, the more essential I think YT is. Especially if we don't have server wide ooc like vztz. Need to feel connected to my bros.

How is the /anon feature gonna work btw

If you want to feel connected to your bros, start a guild with them, start a group with them, or just /tell them.

juicedsixfo

08-24-2011, 06:38 PM

Notice how all the people who are pro-yellow text are illiterate and can't string together a coherent sentence?

It's the same 12 people who hop from shit box to shit box. They want you to believe the are of the majority opinion but they never are, they're just loud as fuck.

Kope

08-24-2011, 06:42 PM

the only arguments you guys have are "hurr epeen"(you're obviously concerned about yours being besmirched) and "it shouldn't and doesn't affect gameplay"(so don't fucking pay attention to it then and leave it as an easy to implement feature that keeps the community together and at the same time even more competitive) and "its not classic"(neither is a lot of the shit that goes on in these emulated servers)

Ok Cwall i'll bite one last time.

We're not talking about hurrs. We're trying to work out something that will benefit the longevity of the server (will help more people join the server when they want to try it out over PvE). We don't want a 3 month gankfest where people can /epeen because they got a bunch of yt by ganking a group when they were low on health.

We're trying to do what's best for the server in general. Would YT be fun? Sure I think it might be fun, but it would eventually deteriorate the actual community on the server to the point of everyone running around for JUST YT and plugging to make sure no one gets theirs.

Xantille to acknowledge your point:

No, taking away YT wouldn't stop zoneplugging. Lol we both know this, people zoneplugged all the time on TZ, but it would minimize it for those who would do anything to YT being displayed in the event of their death.

Again, we're not trying to take away the fun of the server, we're trying to make the server, and the community better as a whole.

juicedsixfo

08-24-2011, 06:54 PM

*sees a guy at 20% fighting a mob*

*realizes this is the perfect opportunity to get some yellow text in*

*kills the guy, sees name in yellow text*

*heart is racing*

*smirks quietly to self*

*wonders how many people think he must be an awesome pvper because his name is in yellow text*

Salty

08-24-2011, 06:56 PM

Being made fun of in ooc for dying an upsetting circumstance for many.

Fight the power, lol.

You're still going to get gibbed at 20%. Yellow text being off isn't going to make it to where people don't attack you.

You're dumb because you think it will.

This is why you better join Fish Bait or else you won't kill a dragon.

juicedsixfo

08-24-2011, 07:03 PM

No, I don't think that. I just think YT caters to the "kill everyone (lower than you) on sight mentality, no matter what" so that they can show the server how "good" they are.

We've all had these chats before. That style of play is not the majority of a PvP community's make up. Shitty kills used to be discouraged, especially on newbs and lowbies, unless it was someone you didn't like.

Salty

08-24-2011, 07:05 PM

YT caters to the "kill everyone (lower than you) on sight mentality, no matter what"

Yellow text being off isn't going to make it to where people don't attack you.

This is why you better join Fish Bait or else you won't kill a dragon.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 07:10 PM

i can't think of a time on a PvP server where i wouldn't kill somebody else

the bluebie is strong with this one

Terpuntine

08-24-2011, 07:19 PM

Wtb yellow text so I can masturbate to my awesomeness.

Terpuntine

08-24-2011, 07:20 PM

Salty, can I join fishbait?

Harrison

08-24-2011, 07:21 PM

Knuckle

08-24-2011, 07:23 PM

I don't think I've ever come across anyone ever saying on any version of garagebox that players were being griefed from yellow text being broadcasted, this is the biggest troll ever. That being said, a player is good or they aren't, if you play to win, you will have a high number of kills and a low number of deaths. You will prepare for battle wisely by /whoing zones and knowing the map. You will fight everyone in your level range not allied with you or in your guild for glory, coin, and if item loot is in, pixels. And yeah, I'd say I pvp for glory, everyone has their own reason for PVPing, I'm not going to avoid killing someone because yellow text isn't in, their going to die either way, if you can't handle having your name on the left side of yellow text maybe everquest pvp isnt for you?

Salty

08-24-2011, 07:25 PM

Cwall

08-24-2011, 07:26 PM

this is what bluebies actually believe knuckle

hint: they didn't experience box life

Rushmore

08-24-2011, 07:27 PM

Over the past few days ive realized that YT could be a bad thing for the overall community.

Its just an entertaining factor that will be missed by a lot of us. A zone wide YT could be a nice compromise.

Amuk

08-24-2011, 07:34 PM

Humerox

08-24-2011, 07:34 PM

Yellow text being off isn't going to make it to where people don't attack you.

Which - rather nicely - negates the argument everyone is making about people fearing the YT.

Actually, since global OOC is out...I wouldn't mind YT so much if the information was restricted to who killed who. That would be a solid compromise imo.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 07:36 PM

Which - rather nicely - negates the argument everyone is making about people fearing the YT.

they're not afraid of dying; they're afraid of people knowing they died

Amuk

08-24-2011, 07:37 PM

YT = reward for a kill, "glory" lol which a lot of people are actually fairly serious about - No YT, without a dragon/camp/mob you may decide to not face fuck that green guy fighting an orc/aligator/polar bear since there's no benefit to it. Some always will, and that should be expected regardless.

Harrison

08-24-2011, 07:38 PM

I've played on your failure boxes.

If we do one thing right, it will be to fix all the terrible mistakes it made. YT is one of them. It didn't exist on Live, anyways.

But hey, this is all a moot point because it's already been said it's not going in. So suck a fuck and stop crying already.

YendorLootmonkey

08-24-2011, 07:42 PM

Which - rather nicely - negates the argument everyone is making about people fearing the YT.

Actually, since global OOC is out...I wouldn't mind YT so much if the information was restricted to who killed who. That would be a solid compromise imo.

I don't have any skin in this game, but it would be funny if you could do the YT with what weapon/spell was used for the killing blow:

Player X has been defeated by Player Y with a Rusty Dagger!

dusk883

08-24-2011, 07:50 PM

Knuckle

08-24-2011, 08:02 PM

I ran by one shot Knuckle at 5% life at Nek zoneline for the YT, sry for the truth to come out, and coined him. No YT I probably would have kept runnen. Not sayen one ways better or not, but I can see benefits for both depending if you're in the corner of the diehard pvpers or the casual lets have fun players.

-Stasis

yeah well if i wasnt in vent with you i figured you would of realized not to gib me or i woulda just kept running to zoneline, miss playing with real pals on vztz box :rolleyes:

h0tr0d (shaere)

08-24-2011, 08:07 PM

Aliveness?

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 08:08 PM

I don't have any skin in this game, but it would be funny if you could do the YT with what weapon/spell was used for the killing blow:

Player X has been defeated by Player Y with a Rusty Dagger!

Rofl.

SearyxTZ

08-24-2011, 08:21 PM

Agree entirely with big Knuckle. Discord server had yellow text, btw.

This isn't going to have 700+ players so I don't think spam will be an issue.

It should at least be an option you're able to toggle. It is fundamental to PvP games to SHOW AND EMPHASIZE THE PVP THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE -- not hide it. Does anyone not agree with this? Because I have hundreds of competitive PvP games I'd like you to observe.

Besides that, how is removing yellow text going to change anything? A prominent fixture of TZT was posting kill screenshots and the subsequent shit-talking that followed. This is part of what makes the server entertaining and fun.

I'll float this out there: you can remove the YT. It isn't going to change the gameplay at all. I'll make a hitlist of people in this thread who wanted it removed, kill them, and plaster the screenshots of their corpses all over this forum. Then they can deal with that. :)

Salty

08-24-2011, 08:22 PM

Cwall

08-24-2011, 08:27 PM

real talk happening in here bros

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 08:46 PM

I'll float this out there: you can remove the YT. It isn't going to change the gameplay at all. I'll make a hitlist of people in this thread who wanted it removed, kill them, and plaster the screenshots of their corpses all over this forum. Then they can deal with that. :)

Come at me bro, cuz it isn't getting put in.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 08:52 PM

It should at least be an option you're able to toggle. It is fundamental to PvP games to SHOW AND EMPHASIZE THE PVP THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE -- not hide it. Does anyone not agree with this? Because I have hundreds of competitive PvP games I'd like you to observe.

No, I do not agree with this. On a server like VZTZ or any other random_shit_box001 I might be inclined to agree due to the limited population playing a factor in finding PVP to a degree, but on Red 99 THIS WILL NOT BE THE CASE.

If you need yellow text to motivate you to find and participate in PVP, you are doing it wrong. Period.

The server will likely not have 700+ players, no, but I can assure you it should have 300-500 at best guess. In classic EQ this is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT to populate most zones to have constant PVP viable. I know you're intelligent enough to understand that.

Macken

08-24-2011, 08:54 PM

If you need yellow text to motivate you to find and participate in PVP, you are doing it wrong. Period.

Hey little kid, some of us have been there done that. If you keep playing, one day you will feel the exact same way.

You are like a little kid trying to convince his parents cookies are ok before dinner.

Listen to those who are more experienced young cookie eater.

Knuckle

08-24-2011, 08:55 PM

Different enemy guilds being men about it to keep yellow text in, praise box jesus daxum

Kope

08-24-2011, 09:09 PM

i can't think of a time on a PvP server where i wouldn't kill somebody else

the bluebie is strong with this one

They're in your guild.

They're in your group.

They're in your raid.

great comment bro...

SearyxTZ

08-24-2011, 09:11 PM

Different enemy guilds being men about it to keep yellow text in, praise box jesus daxum

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/kobe-lebron-d-wade.jpg

Cwall

08-24-2011, 09:12 PM

They're in your guild.

They're in your group.

They're in your raid.

great comment bro...

oh boy here comes the autism

Harrison

08-24-2011, 09:17 PM

Kope

08-24-2011, 09:18 PM

nope

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 09:19 PM

Hey little kid, some of us have been there done that. If you keep playing, one day you will feel the exact same way.

You are like a little kid trying to convince his parents cookies are ok before dinner.

Listen to those who are more experienced young cookie eater.

The only PVP experience I lack is that of the shitty EQEmu PVP servers. I've played many years on Live, without yellow text or leaderboards. Players like you need such fallacies to validate their shitty style of play. Players like me that actually search for legit fights and stay til death rather than zone plug or kill myself don't need such childish reinforcements.

This is sort of like getting those cute little stickers on your homework assignments when you were in 1st grade. Even if you fucked up the teacher made you feel better. Then eventually we all grew up and moved past it when we didn't have a child-like mentality that needed false reinforcement methods to make us feel better. One day, Macken, hopefully you too will graduate past 1st grade PVP.

We can only hope, anyways.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 09:22 PM

rofl this downie is straight out hilarious

The sad part is that he may actually believe some of the things he says :(

Harrison

08-24-2011, 09:26 PM

The sad part is that he may actually believe some of the things he says :(

Sad is that there are probably a circle of mental midgets who think just like him. Hopefully for the sake of this server's health, no one takes him or his downie family seriously.

Envious

08-24-2011, 09:31 PM

Anyone who thinks removing YT is going to vastly decrease plugging is naive as fuck.

Coming from the person most known for pluggin~

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 09:31 PM

There's a reason someone intelligent is running one of the best servers to ever grace EQEmu, and not someone like Macken. There is a reason all of the previous EQEmu PVP boxes have failed, and not just because of hacking.

Sadly, history repeats itself - especially when it is shaped by those that wish to make the same mistakes time and time again. These children are probably quite scared that they will no longer be at the "top" of a server whose ranking for PVP is who can gank or plug the best.

Harrison

08-24-2011, 09:32 PM

Hopefully they code it in that if you lose connection while zoning, you pop in on the other side LD for the default amount of time.

That would shit on you exploiting pussies pretty hard.

Envious

08-24-2011, 09:32 PM

Btw, I skipped this whole thread after Xant's post.

There is another thread about this.

YT is not classic~
Getting rep w/o YT takes a shit load more pvp~

No reason for YT~

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 09:34 PM

Hopefully they code it in that if you lose connection while zoning, you pop in on the other side LD for the default amount of time.

/signed

I could understand on some previous boxes where this might have been detrimental. There were a few that you'd always have a fairly good chance of legitimately losing connection while zoning. But on what is likely to be the most stable PVP server in EQEmu history, I'd fully agree. Fuck zone pluggers. I'd love to see that implemented.

SearyxTZ

08-24-2011, 09:35 PM

Remove plugging, keep yellow text.

Works 4 me.

Humerox

08-24-2011, 09:39 PM

(YT) is fundamental to PvP games to SHOW AND EMPHASIZE THE PVP THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE -- not hide it. Does anyone not agree with this?

I'll bite on this, even tho I can't understand the fragile egos that require the YT boost.

Given a good server population, you won't need to worry about YT. PvP will be taking place. Emu players have gotten used to low server pop and they need the stimulation and reinforcement of: yes, something IS happening out there!

If you need the yellow text...like I said before, limit it to who is involved. Heck, talk to Rogean about sticking some kind of code in there giving titles to people who reach X number of total kills, starting everyone out with a green title.

"Ballsy the Wonder-Boy has slain Perciville the Nublet with a rusty axe!" (Thanks, Yendor).

Whatever. Hopefully if it were ever implemented I could toggle it anyway.

The forums were always a different story. Board wars were almost as important as in-game, lol.

Humerox

08-24-2011, 09:40 PM

Fuck zone pluggers.

Amen, bro.

Kope

08-24-2011, 09:43 PM

oh boy here comes the autism

wtf are you talking about? You've proven you can't keep a coherent thought in your head, but where do you go from here?

YendorLootmonkey

08-24-2011, 09:51 PM

"Ballsy the Wonder-Boy has slain Perciville the Nublet with a rusty axe!" (Thanks, Yendor).

TheLibrarian has slain Ballsy the Wonder-Boy with an Iron Bound Tome!

/tell Ballsy LOL you just got your ass whooped by a book.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 09:57 PM

Lol Yendor is awesome.

I hope you play Red 99 :)

juicedsixfo

08-24-2011, 09:58 PM

Different enemy guilds being men about it to keep yellow text in, praise box jesus daxum

You mean the same 10 of you that shit up box to box

Figure it out bro dawg, you guys aren't the majority this time. Every time you had majority vote (out of 15 players) the box ended up a fucking cesspool of diaper-wearing faggotry.

Yellow text is completely unnecessary. Every reason you have in support of it is a complete fallacy. It absolutely does not add anything positive. It's not being put in.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 09:59 PM

Absolutely true ^

muffins

08-24-2011, 10:02 PM

You mean the same 10 of you that shit up box to box

Figure it out bro dawg, you guys aren't the majority this time. Every time you had majority vote (out of 15 players) the box ended up a fucking cesspool of diaper-wearing faggotry.

Yellow text is completely unnecessary. Every reason you have in support of it is a complete fallacy. It absolutely does not add anything positive. It's not being put in.

you seem angry over a 12 year old video game. please step back into reality, creep.

Convict

08-24-2011, 10:05 PM

Btw, I skipped this whole thread after Xant's post.

There is another thread about this.

YT is not classic~
Getting rep w/o YT takes a shit load more pvp~

No reason for YT~
This 100%. These new gen pvpers like macken (if he's even a pvper, and not just trolling everybody) do need it for their self esteem though. YT being in or out isn't really important for the health of the server.

/g Incoming graphs!!!

YendorLootmonkey

08-24-2011, 10:07 PM

Lol Yendor is awesome.

I hope you play Red 99 :)

I can't even handle NPCs pwning me, let alone PCs pwning me too :)

TheShoveler has slain Hugeballs McGee with an abandoned orc shovel!

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 10:09 PM

These new gen pvpers like macken (if he's even a pvper, and not just trolling everybody) do need it for their self esteem though.

This is all it boils down to, really. There is zero logical reasoning for why it should be implemented.

JayDee

08-24-2011, 10:09 PM

I must say though, you're pretty fucking stupid if took it on the chin instead of zone plugging when given the option

JayDee

08-24-2011, 10:10 PM

and without yellow text or global ooc, place is gonna feel pretty desolate even with 300 pop, especially during kunark & velious bros

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 10:11 PM

TheShoveler has slain Hugeballs McGee with an abandoned orc shovel!

hahahaha!

That makes me sad to hear, you were always worth a good laugh on P99. This PVP server will need decent players like you that actually enjoy the game for what it is and not just use it as a medium for shitting on other people.

(Or maybe you are into that. You do carry around a pooper scooper :p )

Marglar

08-24-2011, 10:15 PM

honestly in the grand scheme the yellow text discussion is one of the least impactful imo, compared to the stickied discussions. I lean towards it not being needed but could give two shits less if it gets implemented. some people get their rocks off with it, but some people avoid pvp for fear of having their name being slain on server wide chat, and that is the part I dislike.

Bardalicious

08-24-2011, 10:16 PM

I must say though, you're pretty fucking stupid if took it on the chin instead of zone plugging when given the option

Yeah bro, so fucking stupid to not exploit a game mechanic rather than man up and continue playing as the game was intended. Also, 300 population will be more than sufficient in classic to keep zones well populated. And when Kunark and Velious finally release I'll bet P99 is beyond its prime which will likely bring in more people.

Nobody seems to understand the fact that Red 99 will draw in a healthy blue crowd, as is the case any time a new server opens up. People will jump at the chance to start on an even playing field, be able to hit oldschool camps before they are nerfed, not have to poopsock to raid, etc.

Humerox

08-24-2011, 10:27 PM

I can't even handle NPCs pwning me, let alone PCs pwning me too :)

TheShoveler has slain Hugeballs McGee with an abandoned orc shovel!

A geared Ranger is freaking awesome in PvP...even in classic. And it just gets better for them thru the next 2 expansions.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 10:54 PM

wtf are you talking about? You've proven you can't keep a coherent thought in your head, but where do you go from here?

lolwut

can i make up random shit about you too so it strengthens my argument?

are you really this retarded? can you even point out something that i've said that's "incoherent"?

Cwall

08-24-2011, 10:56 PM

ITT: bluebies come in and try to say what a red server should be like

also, who the fuck is bardalicious?

Knuckle

08-24-2011, 10:56 PM

knuckle hacked, griefed, and exploited vztz from 300 pop to 14 ppl cuz yellowtext was in and it promoted bad behavior, then red99 came out with no yellow text and thousands flocked

Kope

08-24-2011, 11:20 PM

lolwut

can i make up random shit about you too so it strengthens my argument?

are you really this retarded? can you even point out something that i've said that's "incoherent"?

I don't have to anymore, you've proven my point. You can't actually refute any serious point in my post except for trying to discredit me as a character.

Do you even see what's really going on? :P

Good try with the psychology bro but you lose.

Tombom

08-24-2011, 11:22 PM

and without yellow text or global ooc, place is gonna feel pretty desolate even with 300 pop, especially during kunark & velious bros

If for no other reason than this one, it does so much to encourage population and let the little ones know that the big boys are playing. When your grinding out alone in mm or paw or some mid lvl massabation fest, seeing big bois fighting and slaying eachother is THE biggest motivation to get out there and do work.

All I see is a bunch of quivering vaginas cowering from yellow font in a game that came out a decade ago, pathetic.

Kope

08-24-2011, 11:27 PM

All I see is a bunch of quivering vaginas cowering from yellow font in a game that came out a decade ago, pathetic.

You're trying WAY too hard to use psychology against people, we learned about this 12 years ago, move along troll.

Tombom

08-24-2011, 11:31 PM

You're trying WAY too hard to use psychology against people, we learned about this 12 years ago, move along troll.

don't let the words hurt you bro, your ignoring the argument.

WE USE LOGIK AND REASONING I AM SOCRATES OF FORUMS (LOL GETIT!? FORUMZ?!?!)

Cwall

08-24-2011, 11:32 PM

I don't have to anymore, you've proven my point. You can't actually refute any serious point in my post except for trying to discredit me as a character.

Do you even see what's really going on? :P

Good try with the psychology bro but you lose.

i already did that in my first post, which prompted you to start telling you to "make valid logical arguments", then i explained that i agreed with knuckle's points, and so you pulled some quote on me about people being sheeps but that doesn't apply because this is a two sided discussion, and then after that somehow i'm "incoherent"

on the contrary, the shit you say is pretty incoherent when you mentioned earlier that yellow text only makes it so people run around trying to get yellow text and then zoneplugging to avoid being yellowtexted, and then you mentioned in that exact same post in response to xantille that taking away yellow text won't eliminate zoneplugging

once again i'll ask: are you fucking retarded?

Tombom

08-24-2011, 11:34 PM

logic in action

Doors

08-24-2011, 11:35 PM

This is all it boils down to, really. There is zero logical reasoning for why it should be implemented.

Pros of YT:
Promotes ganking
Lets people know where big fights are going on
Used in big fights to figure out who died
Makes the server overall more interesting

Bluebie Cons of YT:
Don't want people to know they died
Don't want to be verbally harassed
YT promotes douchebagery
YT promotes zoneplugging (what?)

This debate is stupid. It probably isn't going in but I hope they do reconsider. Nothing at all wrong with YT and frankly all I see is a bunch of idiots too scared of ending up on the wrong side of YT trying to piece together a shit argument to keep it out.

SearyxTZ

08-24-2011, 11:39 PM

Well even with YT out, there will be glorious killshot threads splattered with carebear blood. I CANNOT WAIT :cool:

Lazortag

08-24-2011, 11:39 PM

Pros of YT:
Promotes ganking

How is that a "pro"?

Pudge

08-24-2011, 11:40 PM

I'll bite on this, even tho I can't understand the fragile egos that require the YT boost.

Given a good server population, you won't need to worry about YT. PvP will be taking place. Emu players have gotten used to low server pop and they need the stimulation and reinforcement of: yes, something IS happening out there!

If you need the yellow text...like I said before, limit it to who is involved. Heck, talk to Rogean about sticking some kind of code in there giving titles to people who reach X number of total kills, starting everyone out with a green title.

"Ballsy the Wonder-Boy has slain Perciville the Nublet with a rusty axe!" (Thanks, Yendor).

Whatever. Hopefully if it were ever implemented I could toggle it anyway.

The forums were always a different story. Board wars were almost as important as in-game, lol.

you know what would be great?

if rogean coded in some way to "unlock" YT. like if you got over 100 kills or something. the thing is, it's a SECRET. like remember back in the day when not everyone knew how to do everything?

some way to unlock YT that ppl didn't know/had to discover. obv. more complicated than just "kill a shitload of ppl" but you know what i mean.....................................

yea. or some way sometimes you saw the yellow, sometimes you didn't. and he didnt explain it to us

Cwall

08-24-2011, 11:40 PM

How is that a "pro"?

it's not; pvp is bad for the server

Tombom

08-24-2011, 11:40 PM

How is that a "pro"?

gives people a reason to play

SearyxTZ

08-24-2011, 11:40 PM

pvp on a pvp server?

GET OUTTA HERE

Humerox

08-24-2011, 11:42 PM

YT promotes zoneplugging (what?)

C'mon man...you can't tell me no one ever plugged on you to avoid YT.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 11:43 PM

people would plug regardless if there wasn't yellow text, especially with fucking exp loss on death

Humerox

08-24-2011, 11:44 PM

people would plug regardless if there wasn't yellow text, especially with fucking exp loss on death

Or they'd group more and gank (grief) less.

Tombom

08-24-2011, 11:45 PM

Or they'd group more and gank less.

easier to gank with a group... you make less and less sense

Envious

08-24-2011, 11:46 PM

Shit, I'd actually enjoy seeing all the collages on the forums. Or when someone talks shit on the forums someone makes a thread with 20 people responding with KS SS's.

For all you super pro pvp'ers, lack of YT should make you PvP more. Since it will take killing everyone person on the server several times for each of them to know your name, instead of killing some scrubs 3 or 4 times an afternoon then claiming EMU box glory.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 11:47 PM

easier to gank with a group... you make less and less sense

yeah that

SearyxTZ

08-24-2011, 11:47 PM

gank (grief)

lol?

Humerox

08-24-2011, 11:47 PM

easier to gank with a group... you make less and less sense

only easier if the target is soloing..which is then your call as far as risk is concerned.

Humerox

08-24-2011, 11:48 PM

lol?

I can see we don't have a meeting of the minds when it comes to the definition of PvP bro.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 11:48 PM

only easier if you're soloing..which is then your call as far as risk is concerned.

are you drunk?

Tombom

08-24-2011, 11:49 PM

are you drunk?

yeah that

Buhbuh

08-24-2011, 11:49 PM

pvp on a pvp server?

GET OUTTA HERE

PK'er ALERT, PK'er ALERT. SEARYBABY is a PKer!

Humerox

08-24-2011, 11:49 PM

see the edit...lol

Xantille

08-24-2011, 11:53 PM

Coming from the person most known for pluggin~

sick burn bro. perhaps if you use more tildes, people will listen to what you have to say.

now let me get you some tampax pearls for that sandy vag. perhaps then you will have the courage to reveal who you were on the box/TZ BREH.

Galacticus

08-24-2011, 11:55 PM

I think pvp should be public and everyone should know who killed who. None of this screenshot or it didn't happen garbage.

Cwall

08-24-2011, 11:55 PM

Lazortag

08-25-2011, 12:04 AM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ganking

1. Ganking 423 up, 60 down

It is a word commonly used in online video games, usualy used in an MMORPG. Ganking is the process in which a group of charecters gang up on one or more players that do not have a chance to defend themselves, Or when one high level player does the same action to a player way below his or her own level

Yeah, that's totally the kind of pvp we want to encourage.

Humerox

08-25-2011, 12:06 AM

considering how much more powerful and common casters are going to be, a lack of yellow text won't make them "group more"

i don't even understand how that can be applied to an argument for why yellow text shouldn't exist anyway

Yellow text is ok zonewide or limited to who killed who. My thoughts on that were covered earlier in the thread.

However, no yellow text would tend to reduce the number of soloists looking for YT kills, tho. And - throwing this back in - XP loss in pvp would make a few people think less about dick-waving and more about survival. Both factors essentially contributing to more grouping.

Tombom

08-25-2011, 12:07 AM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ganking

Yeah, that's totally the kind of pvp we want to encourage.

Then mount your steed and don your finest plate fair knight, gather your loyal companions and protect the weak from the evil greefers.

Cwall

08-25-2011, 12:08 AM

Level restriction doesn't let higher levels kill people that are too low level for them to compete.

It's very easy to know on these servers when you're in danger in a zone. If you're playing solo and stupid enough to stick around when a group of enemies zone in, especially when most solo players are casters with a plethora of escape options, you're a fucking idiot.

Cwall

08-25-2011, 12:15 AM

Yellow text is ok zonewide
That defeats the purpose. It doesn't let anybody else know that PvP happened except for the people doing the killing.
or limited to who killed who
That's stripping yellow text of everything EXCEPT for the "e-peen" factor. Nobody will know where the PvP happened at, only that soandso got a kill.
However, no yellow text would tend to reduce the number of soloists looking for YT kills
I can't imagine anybody looking for yellow text when the server doesn't have that feature. Would you do that?
XP loss in pvp would make a few people think less about dick-waving and more about survival
Since when has anybody actively looked for PvP thinking that they'll lose?

Humerox

08-25-2011, 12:26 AM

That defeats the purpose. It doesn't let anybody else know that PvP happened except for the people doing the killing.

Exactly.

That's stripping yellow text of everything EXCEPT for the "e-peen" factor. Nobody will know where the PvP happened at, only that soandso got a kill.

Yup.

I can't imagine anybody looking for yellow text when the server doesn't have that feature. Would you do that?

Convoluted but you know what i meant. Stop picking, lol.

Since when has anybody actively looked for PvP thinking that they'll lose?

That's the problem. Think hard on it.

Maurk

08-25-2011, 12:29 AM

How about zone wide YT?

A great idea!!

Cwall

08-25-2011, 12:33 AM

Exactly.

Yup.

Convoluted but you know what i meant. Stop picking, lol.

That's the problem. Think hard on it.

I'll go ahead and quote this again for you, yellow text:
1.) Gives the server a feeling of aliveness.
2.) Shows where some PVP action is taking place.
3.) Allows a pvper to build up a reputation across the server.
4.) Can show a player being griefed if there are bindcamping/corpse camping rules.

Again, if the server is going to have actual consequences for dying(exp loss) and possibly coin/item loot, do you really think that a lack of yellow text is going to be the factor that prevents them from playing unsafely?

Salty

08-25-2011, 12:36 AM

Kids are going to get griefed off the server when I kill them while they are trying to get their corpse over and over while they lose xp.

But oh man, that Yellow Text, no fucking way.

This is what happens when morons make decisions. You're going to get rocked in the face regardless of your shitty ass pvp breaking contributions.

VzTz had it right, what you guys are going to implement is going to make it a donkey show. It's going to be lulz as shit making you cry with little repercussions when the rest of the server doesn't know I'm shoving your face in a pile of shit watching your xp fly away. Can't get your corpse? Not my problem, more like my joy.

Better log the fuck off, is what you will be thinking because you guys are too stupid. Compared to the people who were pvping it fucking massive in 2009, you pals won't be shit.

We know the ropes better.

Cwall

08-25-2011, 12:39 AM

I seriously can't believe that social insecurity in front of your pixelated peers is such a big problem for you guys.

SearyxTZ

08-25-2011, 12:43 AM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ganking

Yeah, that's totally the kind of pvp we want to encourage.

Ganking is ganging up to kill someone, so yes - absolutely. That is smart PvP and it has nothing to do with griefing. Or at least that is my interpretation after having played Diablo/EQ/DOTA/etc

Cwall

08-25-2011, 12:44 AM

Ganking is ganging up to kill someone, so yes - absolutely. That is smart PvP and it has nothing to do with griefing. Or at least that is my interpretation after having played Diablo/EQ/DOTA/etc

What the fuck dude? Don't you understand how important chivalry is to the longevity of an EverQuest PvP server?

JayDee

08-25-2011, 12:50 AM

Yeah bro, so fucking stupid to not exploit a game mechanic rather than man up and continue playing as the game was intended. .

I have never heard of it as exploiting game mechanics. Must be how blues refer to it.

Besides, weren't you the one who got banned from red69 for hacking

SearyxTZ

08-25-2011, 12:53 AM

Good god, those expecting chivalry on this server will be in for a rude awakening. Somebody call Gunzo

Anyhow, I don't care all that much about YT so I'm not going to keep posting about it. I'd like it in personally. I won't be up in arms if it isn't, because then we'll get the entertaining forum drama and killshot sigs etc.

Humerox

08-25-2011, 12:56 AM

I'll go ahead and quote this again for you, yellow text:

1.) Gives the server a feeling of aliveness.
2.) Shows where some PVP action is taking place.
3.) Allows a pvper to build up a reputation across the server.
4.) Can show a player being griefed if there are bindcamping/corpse camping rules.

Again, if the server is going to have actual consequences for dying(exp loss) and possibly coin/item loot, do you really think that yellow text is going to be the factor that prevents them from playing unsafely?

Any compromise is a meeting somewhere in the middle.

1.) Gives the server a feeling of aliveness.

The only thing that will REALLY do this is population. Which means drawing blues in. Their ability to PvE will increase your ability to PvP. YT is a non-factor for them, and most don't like it, for whatever reason.

2.) Shows where some PVP action is taking place.

Every scrub in the book then shows up to rain on your parade. Had a lot of good, balanced PvP action ruined because of this.

3.) Allows a pvper to build up a reputation across the server.

I'm not the first to say this, but YT only builds a false sense of reputation. You guys have to be smart enough to know YT doesn't necessarily relate to PvP skill, or REAL reputation. If you can't concede at least that, compromise isn't necessary at all.

4.) Can show a player being griefed if there are bindcamping/corpse camping rules.

Hopefully the GM's will see policing that stuff is a mountain they don't want to climb. Barring that, guilds/friends and SOCIALIZING are the key factors. /tells and guildchat work just fine.

Again, if the server is going to have actual consequences for dying(exp loss) and possibly coin/item loot, do you really think that yellow text is going to be the factor that prevents them from playing unsafely?

No. That's why I think a compromise could be reached between the YT'ers and the non-YT'ers. A lot of posts suggest that zonewide is comfortable for a lot of people, and I think server-wide is OK if limited to who and who, specifically to keep scrubs out of people's way that are actually attempting to PvP.

Pudge

08-25-2011, 01:08 AM

Any compromise is a meeting somewhere in the middle.

1.) Gives the server a feeling of aliveness.

The only thing that will REALLY do this is population. Which means drawing blues in. Their ability to PvE will increase your ability to PvP. YT is a non-factor for them, and most don't like it, for whatever reason.

2.) Shows where some PVP action is taking place.

Every scrub in the book then shows up to rain on your parade. Had a lot of good, balanced PvP action ruined because of this.

3.) Allows a pvper to build up a reputation across the server.

I'm not the first to say this, but YT only builds a false sense of reputation. You guys have to be smart enough to know YT doesn't necessarily relate to PvP skill, or REAL reputation. If you can't concede at least that, compromise isn't necessary at all.

4.) Can show a player being griefed if there are bindcamping/corpse camping rules.

Hopefully the GM's will see policing that stuff is a mountain they don't want to climb. Barring that, guilds/friends and SOCIALIZING are the key factors. /tells and guildchat work just fine.

Again, if the server is going to have actual consequences for dying(exp loss) and possibly coin/item loot, do you really think that yellow text is going to be the factor that prevents them from playing unsafely?

No. That's why I think a compromise could be reached between the YT'ers and the non-YT'ers. A lot of posts suggest that zonewide is comfortable for a lot of people, and I think server-wide is OK if limited to who and who, specifically to keep scrubs out of people's way that are actually attempting to PvP.

all wrong. too drunk/is too obvious to respond to.

except to #3. YT on random scrubs means almost nothing. (it IS fun to bust into a group of newbs and slay them.. but it doesnt mean shit, and will make ppl target you). but the regulars who play the server will get to know whose name means something and whose doesnt. yes, you CAN catch anyone at a bad moment. but the players who rarely relax their guard are those who are usually more highly regarded. when you PVP them to death, it usually means you had the skillz to get them into their grave.

YT obviously impacts reputation, moreso for the killer than the dead. because you can die for any number of reasons, anyone can be drunk/bad luck/go afk a minute. but to kill means you got something right, whatever it was.

Cwall

08-25-2011, 01:09 AM

Are you saying that seeing where the action is at and coming to join the fight is the mark of someone who is bad at the game and isn't a real PvPer?

Pudge

08-25-2011, 01:11 AM

in fact my most fun pvp happens when im drunk. best shit ever. when i wanted to have a bawl, i'd drink to shit and go out pvping at random. sometimes even when i knew it was going to be guild v guild.. time to drink up! for fucking enhanced PVP experience of course.. !

Humerox

08-25-2011, 01:11 AM

all wrong.

Why so? I'd really like to see more real counterpoints and less ad homo.

Humerox

08-25-2011, 01:14 AM

Are you saying that seeing where the action is at and coming to join the fight is the mark of someone who is bad at the game and isn't a real PvPer?

No, and I think you know exactly what I mean.

Pudge

08-25-2011, 01:20 AM

Why so? I'd really like to see more real counterpoints and less ad homo.

because dude..

uhg..

1) YT brings less aliveness?
no. it brings more.. you can't say extra messages about shit going on around you = less feeling of aliveness for the server. it is messages about shit happening around you, that normally you wouldn't see.

2) doesn't show where pvp is taking place?
the YT shows the zone ppl get killed in.. which means shows where action is going down. you count-point is.. that MORE ppl will show up to pvp?? uh.... okay i dont even have talk more about this one anymore

3) already spoke about

4) it shows if ppl are being repeatedly killed, to the entire server, (actually regardless i fthere are rules or not). who cares if GMs could get special messages (targeted YT) about this, in realtime? if the entire server is getting them.. then they know. YT promotes awareness of ppl getting repeatedly killed.

did i have to really type all that?

Humerox

08-25-2011, 01:32 AM

...did i have to really type all that?

Yeah, cuz man...it really reinforces the fact that a lot of you guys aren't used to anything but low-population servers with extremely limited PvP. It's not anyone's fault...the Emus have tried but up to this point the dynamics haven't been in place to provide a good setting for real PvP.

Not saying that some of the guys that have been on the boxes aren't skilled or are bad players, the opposite is actually true. Hopefully when Rogean gets this box up, there will be PvP everywhere for everybody...and the only way to keep up with reputation will be to to draw up a spreadsheet.

Pudge

08-25-2011, 01:37 AM

i look forward to it :D

Rogean

08-25-2011, 02:18 AM

It's funny watching you guys argueing over this. Pretty sure we won't have yellow text, but I did just got a hilarious idea to implement overlay texts and sounds for quake noises, like counter-strike had.

Text pops up: "Rogean: Double Kill!" and you hear the quake sound "DOUBLE KILL!"

..

Text "Rogean: Holy Shit!" Sound: "Holy Shitttt-shhitttt-shhhiitttt-shhhittttt".

Yea, won't be doing that, but it would be funny.

Cwall

08-25-2011, 02:19 AM

Pretty sure we won't have yellow text

Can you explain why?

Rogean

08-25-2011, 02:20 AM

Can you explain why?

Nope.

If I typed up the reasoning for every decision made and spent time debating it with everyone, we would never get anything done.

Rogean

08-25-2011, 02:23 AM

BOOM, HEADSHOT

Rogean

08-25-2011, 02:23 AM

Sorry, I use to play FPS pretty actively.

Cwall

08-25-2011, 02:24 AM

It's a small feature that (seemingly) most of the dedicated players among these PvP boxes want. I don't understand why you would deny your playerbase that.

SearyxTZ

08-25-2011, 02:25 AM

well this is off to a bad start

why not just poll it?

Rogean

08-25-2011, 02:32 AM

Salty

08-25-2011, 02:33 AM

This server isn't being designed solely for you hardcore pvp'ers' ego contests. It's being designed as a Classic PvP Server. EQLive PvP Servers did not have serverwide messages for pvp deaths with the exception of duels (which we had active for a bit on P99 and even that got spammy). I'm sorry if you guys think this server will cater exclusively to the hardcore players that will be doing nothing but having huge guildwar battles over raid targets or controlling zonelines. The rest of the server will (hopefully) have a decent group of people that only resort to pvp as a necessity to resolve disputes, and may actually work together when grouping and etc, and won't be killing people just to get an orgasm out of everyone seeing their name. I do not think a broadcast system for pvp deaths will fit with this server.

no

EQLive PvP Servers did not have

When were you able to invis through seb on eqlive?

When did you lose xp on eqlive pvp?

Don't be a fag and act like you're not.

only resort to pvp as a necessity

Kids are going to send you tells everyday about how big Salty ruined their day. LNS is NOT an option, they are going to be upset.

Afraid of pvp? Too bad, no corpse until I leave the zone. Not like the rest of the server will be able to call me out on it since they won't see it. Win/Win

Crenshinabon

08-25-2011, 02:35 AM

Cwall

08-25-2011, 02:37 AM

If the server starts out with a low population, will you implement global /ooc until it picks up like p99 did? I don't really like the idea of a global chat, but it seems necessary without a large enough playerbase to populate each/most of the zones.

Pudge

08-25-2011, 02:37 AM

lol. i hope those mobs in seb see invis. (other than rogue)

anyway, rogean, plz yellow test zone-wide? plz???

:_( am about to cry

Salty

08-25-2011, 02:38 AM

lol. i hope those mobs in seb see invis. (other than rogue)

anyway, rogean, plz yellow test zone-wide? plz???

:_( am about to cry

I had 3 people run to me from zone-in to disco 2 with a full repop with only invis; Enchanter, Wizard, Shaman.

Good chance this has been happening since Kunark came out and no one but big Salty mentioned it.

Classic my ass. Everytime he tries and says "omg but classic" I can't help but think what a gigantic douche he is. Doesn't even have credible facts to back up his weird thought process.

Whatever bro, no YT because it isn't classic. When people are losing xp in pvp I'll make sure it hurts.

Pudge

08-25-2011, 02:41 AM

well. they used to be able to BIND in seb. so i guess see invis is the next step

Rogean

08-25-2011, 02:42 AM

Salty your content issues belong in the bug forums and not in my pvp mechanics/code discussions. Code != Content. Stop trolling and derailing before I ban your ass. I can't even count how many warnings I've given you.

Salty

08-25-2011, 02:43 AM

well. they used to be able to BIND in seb. so i guess see invis is the next step

Big Rogean is a baller when it comes to classic only content.

Out of touch with reality more like it.

SearyxTZ

08-25-2011, 02:44 AM

Rogean I am going to craft the most epic collage of "you have slain" killshots in the history of Everquest. It will have elbow macaroni, glitter, the whole shebang, and it will be a struggle for me just to create this with having an orgasm. Bardalicious and that other guy will be prominently featured.

In seriousness, I think most players on red servers (on classic, on emu, anywhere) are "hardcore" by nature and exactly what you described. Egotistic assholes. That's gonna be your average PvP player...

Granted not everybody was this way, on TZ. I mean that's what the light team existed for - the semi-nice people who just wanted to PvE.

But I'd say the majority were.

Broadcasts are a minor point in the grand scheme of things though so whatever. It's your server and the fact is we'll probably be happy with whatever you put out there. Maybe I am stuck in the small-time VZTZ mindset with things. Let me put it this way - I will be surprised (very happily surprised), if this server breaks 600 concurrent online.

Salty

08-25-2011, 02:44 AM

Salty your content issues belong in the bug forums and not in my pvp mechanics/code discussions. Code != Content. Stop trolling before I ban your ass. I can't even count how many warnings I've given you.

Kunark has been out for months bro.

Warn me for posting about bugs that have existed since the beginning of kunark? You say you do things classic when you do not. You want to come in here and toss your dick about classic when you have no classic dick.

I'm not trolling, I'm telling you your history and the shit you are saying now, and them not connecting in any logical fashion.

Give me a break.

I have seen so many people invis through Sebilis like it's suppose to happen that you would not believe. It's an atrocity that you would declare how you keep things classic when you don't. You brought it up, I smacked you down, you upset.

Warn me afterwards if it makes you feel better, but your argument holds absolutely no weight when you say "classic" as an excuse not to do something.

Rogean

08-25-2011, 02:48 AM

Kunark has been out for months bro.

Warn me for posting about bugs that have existed since the beginning of kunark? You say you do things classic when you do not.

I'm not trolling, I'm telling you your history and the shit you are saying now, and them not connecting in any logical fashion.

Give me a break.

I'm warning you for derailing threads that aren't bug report posts, and to mention, once again for probably the 10th time to you specifically, that I am a code developer. I do not have control over content bugs. I do not have the tools, the research materials, and the setup to make content changes. This is why we have two separate teams, it is impossible for one person to do everything on a server of this scale. Nilbog heads up Content, and you may send him a PM if you so desire.

Salty

08-25-2011, 02:49 AM

I'm warning you for derailing threads that aren't bug report posts, and to mention, once again for probably the 10th time to you specifically, that I am a code developer. I do not have control over content bugs. I do not have the tools, the research materials, and the setup to make content changes. This is why we have two separate teams, it is impossible for one person to do everything on a server of this scale. Nilbog heads up Content, and you may send him a PM if you so desire.

Don't say classic as an excuse not to do something when it is not the case on existing p99.

The argument is not a derail when it is relevant.

Rogean

08-25-2011, 02:53 AM

Don't say classic as an excuse not to do something when it is not the case on existing p99.

The argument is not a derail when it is relevant.

Why the fuck would you bring up a CONTENT issue in an argument with a CODE developer? Do you not get it? I do not have the knowledge of WHY those mobs can't see invis to argue that point with you, not that I would even if I did. I don't involve myself in content matters because I already have way more than enough to worry about as it is. For all I know there could be a very good reason that the mobs don't see invis. Maybe it is intended or maybe it is a bug. That is not for me to decide and it is not my area to be making those decisions.

Drop it.

Cwall

08-25-2011, 02:56 AM

In seriousness, I think most players on red servers (on classic, on emu, anywhere) are "hardcore" by nature and exactly what you described. Egotistic assholes. That's gonna be your average PvP player...

^

If your playerbase wants something, why alienate them?

SearyxTZ

08-25-2011, 02:56 AM

He's drunk, officer, don't mind him.

Salty come with big searyx before u get yourself banned.

Salty

08-25-2011, 02:57 AM

Why the fuck would you bring up a CONTENT issue in an argument with a CODE developer?

You shouldn't of brought this up if you can't handle the criticism:

This server isn't being designed solely for you hardcore pvp'ers' ego contests. It's being designed as a Classic PvP Server.

This server designed to pad your ego? You going to warn me for challenging your authority?

You CANNOT state that you aren't going to do something because it's not for our egos only classic, and not expect me to say "wait a minute." On top of that you want to give me spankings because I am challenging your opinion?

Pshaw. Contribute your source to the community. You know for goddamn sure big Salty would know if you could invis through seb before launching Kunark.

SearyxTZ

08-25-2011, 02:59 AM

^

If your playerbase wants something, why alienate them?

We disagree on the playerbase (or at least what composes the majority).

I'm not going to scream about it though. We can all wait and see, and I imagine it will be good for population to bring some of those carebears over...

vinx

08-25-2011, 02:59 AM

Salty quit QQin
you cant troll your way into something he alrdy stated wont be in

The argument is not a derail when it is relevant.
know what? YT wasnt on live servers in 1999 which rogeans projects emulate
It isnt the bluebies scared of being on the wrong side of YT. its you guys scared to be nobody's if YT isnt in

Salty

08-25-2011, 03:01 AM

YT wasnt on live servers in 1999

Neither was invising through Sebilis.

STOP BRINGING THIS POINT UP WHEN I HAVE A COUNTER-POINT THAT THRASHES IT.

its you guys scared to be nobody's if YT isnt in

You won't be saying that when people are corpse camped so that everyone knows who got pooped on.

Cwall

08-25-2011, 03:02 AM

We disagree on the playerbase (or at least what composes the majority).

I'm not going to scream about it though. We can all wait and see, and I imagine it will be good for population to bring some of those carebears over...

Well, I think a poll would be appropriate then. If the red community doesn't want, as a majority, yellow text, then I'm fine with that, but from my standpoint, it seems like all of the dedicated fans that have been here for the past several years, the same fans that stuck through this rollercoaster of active and inactive boxes just to play some EQ PvP, want a simple feature that makes the game magic for them. It shouldn't be a question of ethics, but a question of what your playerbase wants.

vinx

08-25-2011, 03:02 AM

Neither was invising through Sebilis.

STOP BRINGING THIS POINT UP WHEN I HAVE A COUNTER-POINT THAT THRASHES IT.
read OP

Rogean

08-25-2011, 03:03 AM

you don't see our mods banning right and left.

Because that's what I do.. ban people left and right.

Except it's been months since I've banned anyone on the forums.

You know what, forget it.. I'd rather go spend time working on an event for the hole opening on blue or something instead of dealing with the stress of your retarded logic.

vinx

08-25-2011, 03:04 AM

Well, I think a poll would be appropriate then. If the red community doesn't want, as a majority, yellow text, then I'm fine with that, but from my standpoint, it seems like all of the dedicated fans that have been here for the past several years, the same fans that stuck through this rollercoaster of active and inactive boxes just to play some EQ PvP, want a simple feature that makes the game magic for them. It shouldn't be a question of ethics, but a question of what your playerbase wants.
bad idea

most the vz/tz players have no home but the forums..
your going to miss sooo many that dont browse the forums on a daily basis

lopsided or fixed poll imo

Salty

08-25-2011, 03:06 AM

dealing with the stress of your retarded logic.

Don't get emotional about it.

My logic is sound bro. You're out of touch with p99.

Cwall

08-25-2011, 03:07 AM

bad idea

most the vz/tz players have no home but the forums..
your going to miss sooo many that dont browse the forums on a daily basis

If they're the ones who actually care about and follow the project with high hopes and will probably be the most active players, why shouldn't their opinions be considered?

vinx

08-25-2011, 03:07 AM

You won't be saying that when people are corpse camped so that everyone knows who got pooped on.

puleaze! this isnt my first rodeo
I have alts for a reason ;)

vinx

08-25-2011, 03:09 AM

If they're the ones who actually care about and follow the project with high hopes and will probably be the most active players, why shouldn't their opinions be considered?
most the people you.. well maybe not the vt/tz crew
but server admins want to populate the server with in conjunction to the vz/tz crew, are not as vocal or forum jockeys

SearyxTZ

08-25-2011, 03:12 AM

KILL SALTY FOR SUPPORTING BLUE SERVER WORK ON THE HOLE